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English rules

Viesti Kirjoittaja Athene » Maanantai, 06.01.2014 22:47

Here comes the summary of the rules! Feel free to ask questions and chat about rules under this topic. (You have to register first - click "rekisteröidy" in right top corner to register, if your browser doesn't translate it automatically)

The fight

The combat rules are simple. A hit from a weapon to the limb makes the limb useless, a hit to the head or body kills. A new hit to a limb that has already taken damage leads to death. You also die, if you lose two hands or two legs.

If the blade or any damage inflicting part of the weapon touches the fighter, it counts as a hit, no matter how light the blow. Hits to clothing clearly apart from the body, obviously do not count as a hit. In unclear situations, it is considered polite to clarify for the attacker, whether the hit was successful or not.

The basic principle is that everyone focuses on counting the hits they receive rather than the ones they give - gentlemen rules apply. If someone does not seem to count their hits properly, after the scenario you can take the issue up with the fighter in question, his group leader or with the supervisors. If you are not sure if you received the hit or not, the best way is to just take it as a hit.

Contact


It is allowed to grab your opponent’s weapon, except for the blade. Body contact between the fighters is allowed, but you are not allowed to grapple, push, trip or wrestle. All locking (wrist, knee, elbow, etc.) techniques are forbidden.

You are allowed to take contact with the opponent with your shield, but shield bashing and techniques aiming to take the opponent down are forbidden. Polearms can be used to push your opponents’ shields and weapons but wrestling with a polearm is not permitted. Also hitting with the shaft of the polearm is not allowed.

If you have the chance to hit your opponent from behind or from another angle where he/she is unaware of the coming hit, make sure to do it gently. When choosing target area for such attack, avoid the back of the head and the kidneys.

Armour

Armour negates the first hit to each armoured hit location (head, torso, right leg, left leg, right hand, left hand) that is covered by armour. The armour that is hit loses its protective value, but is again usable in the next scenario, or after respawn in the same scenario.
Death
Once you are dead, raise your hand above your head and hold your weapon upside-down in your hand. This is to signal others that you have ceased fighting. As soon as possible, move away from the fight, while trying to avoid obstructing the fight. Do not walk through your own, or enemy lines. Do not talk to people who are not dead. Pretending to be dead, or hiding among the dead (if you aren’t), is strictly forbidden and may lead to removal of the offender from the event.

Hold!

If you notice a dangerous situation, shout "hold!". When someone shouts "hold!", cease all fighting and repeat the shout. Stand still until the situation is resolved and the supervisors give the signal to continue.

Do not use ‘hold’ unless necessary. For example, if you spot a broken sword you can just inform the combatant with the broken weapon. Stumbling is not dangerous unless the warrior is in risk of getting trampled. If situation is already under control and injured fighter is already being taken care of, shouting “hold” is not recommended.

Supervisors

The duty of the supervisors is to oversee the safety of the battles. They can pause the scenario if rules are being broken. They can also give remarks on participants if they misbehave. If necessary, supervisors act as referees and their instructions must be followed. Supervisors can also remove participants from scenarios if they misbehave severely, or from the whole event if the misbehaving continues.

Equipment

The weapons and armour used is medieval. The most common weapons are swords of different lengths, spears, polearms and bows. Armour types that give an extra point are maille, hardened leather, plate armour and various other steel armours, for example lamellar and scale armours. Please note that there are specific thickness or structural requirements for armour. Specifically, you should note that most leather armour pieces sold as “hardened” in online shops (e.g. mytholon.com), do not qualify as armour in War Cry. Metal armour thickness should be at least 1 mm for shaped armours, or 1,5 mm for such armours as splint mail. A rule of thumb is that if the armour is reasonably sturdy and not trying to cut too many corners, it suffices. Armour has to be safe also for other combatants, so sharp edged and gothic spikes are no-go.

You can inquire for more specific requirements in our forum (http://forum.sotahuuto.fi/viewforum.php?f=224).

We’ll also try to answer beforehand whether your armor qualifies. As a special case, a protective sports helmet is also accepted as armour, as long as it is painted in neutral colors or hidden by a hood.

Weapons are padded, built around PVC or glass fiber tubes. Instructions for building a sword can be found from http://wiki.sotahuuto.fi/index.php/Miekan_teko-ohjeet . Look at the pictures that are quite self-evident, even if captions are in Finnish.


Instruction for building spears can be found from http://wiki.sotahuuto.fi/index.php/Keih ... eko-ohjeet . Again, take a close look at the pictures, even if text is in Finnish.

Organizers will most probably be able to lend weaponry for international visitors.

If interested on specific equipment requirements (e.g. safety requirements for bows, arrows etc.) don’t hesitate to contact the organizers.
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Hårdgrim
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Re: English rules

Viesti Kirjoittaja Hårdgrim » Sunnuntai, 06.07.2014 19:23

A couple of questions for clarification:

If you lose one arm and one leg, do you die?

If one piece of armor covers multiple hit areas, does it count separately for each?

Can you kick shields, or even push them with your feet?

Do stabbing weapons/missiles count the same as regular slashing hits with regard to armor?

Are there any special rules concerning hands on weapons or feet on ground?

Can archers call shots?

Any special safety rules about archery?

-Lars
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Re: English rules

Viesti Kirjoittaja Trael » Maanantai, 07.07.2014 01:28

Some (unofficial, becouse I am not organizer of this years event) quick answers to your questions. Now answering first couple of them. Its really middle of night and Sleepy enough to have problem staying focused for more than 1/4 sentence. Will answer rest tomorrow if there has been no other answers before that.
Hårdgrim kirjoitti:A couple of questions for clarification:

If you lose one arm and one leg, do you die?
No. You do not, you just end up having one leg and one arm that you can use.
Hårdgrim kirjoitti: If one piece of armor covers multiple hit areas, does it count separately for each?
Yes. For example chainmail that covers arms gives armor to area of hands that it covers, just like separate armor pieces would.
Hårdgrim kirjoitti: Can you kick shields, or even push them with your feet?
Kick = No.
Push = Have to look at rules about pushing shields generally, but i dont see any reason why it would be different depending if it is arm, feet or body.
Hårdgrim kirjoitti: Do stabbing weapons/missiles count the same as regular slashing hits with regard to armor?
Yes, for reasons of keeping system simple and avoiding confusion in situations where person being hit does not see type of hit.
Hårdgrim kirjoitti: Are there any special rules concerning hands on weapons or feet on ground?
If you are refering to "hits to ____ are not counted" style rules some events in some countries have, answer is Absolutely No.

Only special rules concerning weapon and hands are:
1) You are allowed to grap blade of your own sword with hand, without having to count it as hit to hand
2) You are allowed to take grip from opponents weapon (only non damagedealing parts) and somewhat gently (no pulling or pushing with real force or breaking weapon allowed, guiding weapon to side and so is ok) for aproximately 5 seconds maximum.
Hårdgrim kirjoitti:Can archers call shots?
Yelling "you got hit" to opponents is generally considered really unwanted/rude behaviour. Most archers use some intense staring and waving to target when they see people wondering if they were hit by arrow instead of already counting hit.
Hårdgrim kirjoitti: Any special safety rules about archery?
This one I leave completely to be answered by some archer, as i dont have any real experience about archery.


Hopefully something helpfull... and hopefully i didnt do any horrible mistakes in thinking what you were asking while sleepy.
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Re: English rules

Viesti Kirjoittaja Bunkka-pop » Maanantai, 07.07.2014 02:07

Hårdgrim kirjoitti: Any special safety rules about archery?
maximum draw strength is 25 pounds, no shooting with maximum power at under 5 meters.

Arrows require a widener/stopper/blunt with diameter of 25mm, on top of that 2cm of closed cell foam with 5cm diameter, and on top of that 5cm of soft foam with 5cm diameter. The arrowshafts have to be taped entirely with strong tape to prevent splintering if they happen to break. The nocks require smallish protective piece. http://wiki.sotahuuto.fi/index.php/Nuolen_teko-ohjeet even with pictures this sould simplify a lot. Only thing there that is outdated is that rounding of the softfoam tip is no longer allowed.

Generally you can only use a missile only once a scenario. Remember to carefully check and clean the soft foam tips of arrows before using them again as they tend to collect pine needles and such.
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Re: English rules

Viesti Kirjoittaja JonTzu » Maanantai, 07.07.2014 21:52

Hey. Here on official capacity. Trael already answered the questions pretty sufficiently.

Please refrain from kicking the shields. If you want to make sure, don't touch anyones shield with your sole. You can push the shields with your weapons, shields or body (including leg). You can't bash people with shields and intentionally making people fall is forbidden. It is a fine line. You can do many things and interfere with your opponents actions, movements and fighting but you can't make them fall. Stopping their movement is all right, but try to do it gently. 8)

Two rules that are sometimes troublesome are:

1) You can't parry with your bow. If your bow is hit, you should take the hit if you would have been hit if the bow had not interfered with the hit.

2) If you have two (or more) pieces of armor that overlap they still only protect you from one hit.
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Re: English rules

Viesti Kirjoittaja Gnomus » Maanantai, 07.07.2014 21:58

JonTzu kirjoitti:Hey. Here on official capacity. Trael already answered the questions pretty sufficiently.
2) If you have two (or more) pieces of armor that overlap they still only protect you from one hit.
One little addition to official answer:
If your armor is made of several pieces, for example chainmail covers upper arm and bracer lower arm, they still only protect you from one hit in arm. Getting hit on your bracer means your chainmail doesn't protect your upper arm anymore (but still protects your body, as body is separate hit location from arm)
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Re: English rules

Viesti Kirjoittaja Hårdgrim » Maanantai, 07.07.2014 22:28

Ok, thanks. That's mostly what I expected (except that you can live after losing an arm and a leg). Your rules are even simpler than ours.

In Dagorhir/Belegarth, there's a special rule to discourage swinging weapons at arrows: If you so much as attempt such a swing, you are automatically dead.

Also, am I right that you cannot block arrows with weapons, only with shields? If so, what happens if an arrow happens to hit your weapon?

-Lars
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Re: English rules

Viesti Kirjoittaja Gnomus » Tiistai, 08.07.2014 00:00

Hårdgrim kirjoitti:Ok, thanks. That's mostly what I expected (except that you can live after losing an arm and a leg). Your rules are even simpler than ours.

In Dagorhir/Belegarth, there's a special rule to discourage swinging weapons at arrows: If you so much as attempt such a swing, you are automatically dead.

Also, am I right that you cannot block arrows with weapons, only with shields? If so, what happens if an arrow happens to hit your weapon?

-Lars
Actually we have quite similar rule, but just forgot to mention it.

You are not permitted to hit arrows with weapons, because it will make arrows really dangerous. You are only allowed to block arrows with shields.

If arrow hits your weapon while your weapon was static (some participants will keep their weapon in front of them as passive protection) or while you were fighting some third person and hit was clearly just bad luck then nothing happens. If you are seen actively blocking or hitting arrows with your weapon you and your team will get disgloria. In bad cases or repeating offences participant can be removed from battle or even from event, but mainly peer pressure and disgloria should be enough to make participant follow rules and not actively hit arrows.

As with other rules, they should be followed in gentleman like manner and cheating is frowned upon by other participants.

I hope we didn't forgot anything else important :)
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Re: English rules

Viesti Kirjoittaja Trael » Tiistai, 08.07.2014 00:16

Hårdgrim kirjoitti:Ok, thanks. That's mostly what I expected (except that you can live after losing an arm and a leg). Your rules are even simpler than ours.

In Dagorhir/Belegarth, there's a special rule to discourage swinging weapons at arrows: If you so much as attempt such a swing, you are automatically dead.

Also, am I right that you cannot block arrows with weapons, only with shields? If so, what happens if an arrow happens to hit your weapon?

-Lars
Hitting arrows from air is forbidden (active blocking = automatic dead) here also. Weapons block all normal flying projectiles, if you are fast enough to move and stop your weapon to be on path of arrow it is possible to block arrows.
However current ruling for projectiles is that they are damagecausing untill they touch ground, so arrows deflected from anything are still lethal on hits with their tip.
(Main reason for "hitting arrows is not allowed" is safety reasons. Avoiding arrows spinning around in air and hitting people with hard surfaces.)

Siege weapon projectiles cannot be blocked with anything and cause instant death on any hit including hits to shield.
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Re: English rules

Viesti Kirjoittaja Rezagh » Tiistai, 08.07.2014 09:14

Trael kirjoitti:Hitting arrows from air is forbidden (active blocking = automatic dead) here also. Weapons block all normal flying projectiles, if you are fast enough to move and stop your weapon to be on path of arrow it is possible to block arrows.
However current ruling for projectiles is that they are damagecausing untill they touch ground, so arrows deflected from anything are still lethal on hits with their tip.
(Main reason for "hitting arrows is not allowed" is safety reasons. Avoiding arrows spinning around in air and hitting people with hard surfaces.)
And this rule applies to all projectiles (javelins, throwing spears). Not only arrows.
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Re: English rules

Viesti Kirjoittaja Sapfon » Tiistai, 08.07.2014 12:35

Lars,

We will go through all the rules again at Thursday as we have organised a training event for the evening as well as BBQ etc. To welcome you guys and to make sure you guys know the rules and get used to them a bit more :)

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